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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..you are soooo funny, you crack me up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<unlucky> wrote in message news:3c3fd263.6684562@news.mindspring.com… > she said everyone…not nobody > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:56:28 -0500, "Garrett Jaxx" <Garr…@bogus.com> > wrote: > >I’m here > >"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > >news:a1m2mj$q28$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > >> Gee, this place is dead today…. > >> —

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wait , i’ll feel my tits and you just , you know – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:06:54 GMT, unlucky wrote: >she said everyone…not nobody >On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:56:28 -0500, "Garrett Jaxx" <Garr…@bogus.com> >wrote: >>I’m here >>"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >>news:a1m2mj$q28$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >>> Gee, this place is dead today…. >>> —

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now i’m confused…YOU’RE the gf? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:24:19 GMT, perc…@uniserve.com (%) wrote: >wait , i’ll feel my tits and you just , you know >On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:06:54 GMT, unlucky wrote: >>she said everyone…not nobody >>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:56:28 -0500, "Garrett Jaxx" <Garr…@bogus.com> >>wrote: >>>I’m here >>>"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >>>news:a1m2mj$q28$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >>>> Gee, this place is dead today…. >>>> —

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > > Caravans: (written before the women’s liberation movement > Was that written by a woman or a man?

A man, of course.  I find that I don’t prefer how/what women write (Sheri S. Tepper is an exception that leaps to mind, though).  I am chauvinistic in this regard because I don’t relate.   I do view women as interesting writers when writing about women (recalling here that the books in my "Women" list are largely by women.) Regarding Caravans, my snapshot description may be misleading. While the woman I mentioned is the linchpin of the story, she is somewhat of a plot device used by the author to take us gallivanting around Afghanistan. > > Shogun: > The series did not grab my attention for some reason.

Yeah, it was a disappointment to me and I really wanted to like it.  I think the book is too rich and complex for film; and when you burden it with a third rate actor (Richard Chamberlain) and wrong director (Jerry London did Hogan’s Heroes and The Brady Bunch TV shows) it’s gonna lose something.  The book takes you down a gradual path from viewing feudal Japan as full of barbaric puzzlements to where you wind up with some kind of appreciation for its sophistication.  I don’t think that the series succeeded on that level. > > Razor’s Edge > Same Razor’s Edge as movie with Gene Tierney? That I saw. Got the video here. > Watched it a few times, so I remember parts of it….

Yes.  But I haven’t seen it so I will resist my impulse towards gratuitous warnings against judging a book by it’s movie. > > Confederacy of Dunces.   > Well, see, I talked about it *as I read it*, and only now remember the hot > dogs thing cause you mention it. > One thing I also remember is sort of a mental note I made about somethign > specific to the narrator: the vision of the world changes with each > character, which gives way to the entire action in the book. The plot is > not so much built by the events, but by the *interpretation* of events > or projectiosn each character makes on some other(s), and in that., I > think it caught so well how real people are. It gave each character > a dimension too forgotten in literature, and showed its authors > exceptional genius right there.

There is a famous Kurosawa movie (Rashomon) in that vein, about how a single event is perceived four different ways by four different people and you are left to integrate them into your own (fifth?) perception.   > >> heteroclite. > ("disparate" being French word again that I hope > exists in English?) (Disparate= that do not belong > to a same category).

Disparate has the same meaning in English. > Languages are fascinating for how sometimes the very essence of a culture > can be sensed in what words they have that another culture does not at all, > and what meaning they give a word that another language/culture does not.

I noticed this a lot with Japanese -vs- English (the soft drink advertising slogan "Feel Coke" actually makes sense to the Japanese).  Also, I am fascinated by literal translations compared side by side with translations that are optimized for clarity of meaning.  In China I was told that the standard warning sign on elevator doors says "In case of fire or ambulance, use the stairs" because the character for ambulance is also understood to mean any kind of unspecified dire emergency. > "Heteroclite" does not at all have per se a negative connotation, in > French.

I just looked it up in English and heteroclite has the meaning of ‘deviation from a common form or rule’.  I don’t take that as a negative connotation, just that deviation=different.  On the other hand, I think ‘deviate’ (used as verb) does not have a negative connotation while ‘deviate’ (same word with slight change of pronunciation and used as a noun) does indeed have a negative connotation.  Go figure. > It *can* but is not used with that under it most of the > time, except, for instance, > if one would say "The room was burried under a pile of heteroclite junk". > Which would sound like the room Iam in right now:). And where it would > sound like a mess but because of the words "junk" and "pile" > and "burried". > I guess diversity is not seen as being that bad in the French culture > then **in the referent of this word** and of what I know of it in > English from reading your words above.

Well, I didn’t mean to give heteroclite or diversity bad connotations in English, so maybe I was playing too fast and loose with the original phrase ("heteroclitally compatible"). Disraeli

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she said everyone…not nobody On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:56:28 -0500, "Garrett Jaxx" <Garr…@bogus.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m here >"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >news:a1m2mj$q28$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >> Gee, this place is dead today…. >> —

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?=B0=B0=B0?= (disra…@enter.not) writes: > <Resent> > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> Gee, this place is dead today…. > <I sent this the other day, and it didn’t show up so I blew it > off, but since you sound bored, here it is again…>

Thanks. Being stranded at home all those weeks, being sick, could make things quite boring…As long as there are posts to read and reply to, it provides for some human "contact"…But the last days were so dead…. I am late in answering a few posts here and there, where I am not always able tow rite…But I do read all posts (thinking here of L’s reply to a post of mine for instance, that I can’t seem to find again….On a moment of better concentration, I’ll find it back…)…  > =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B0=B0=B0?= (disra…@enter.not) writes: >> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> I should bring you in a book store and have you name such >> categories to me until I’d go "YES!! THAT!". >> Business would bore me. > Ah, well, the categories are oversimplified to keep their numbers > down.  For instance: Barbarians At The Gate might be set in > corporate America, but it’s really a story about warlords driven > by naked greed and thirst for glory conducting war on one > another.  Could just as well be classed a ’suspense’ novel if not > for the fact that it’s a true story. (I’m fond of real-life > stories that have the elements of a good novel and I’ll admit > they pepper my list.)

I see. Yes, that does sound interesting. When I read "business", I rather thought of those long market reports, with dry columns of data, where that would sure bore me to death:). But  I see what you meant, now.  >  >> Historical is a great idea, but there I want the >> entire encyclopedia and to read it in chronological order, not >> alphabetical. > My list is where I spent my own nickel for recreational reading, > so they are far from academic tomes- more like stories about/from > the past.  For instance: > Black Like Me: about a white guy who shot himself up with melanin > to turn his skin black and then traveled in the pre-civil-rights > USA to experience what it was like to be "a Negro in the Deep > South".  True story (with photos) helped kick-start the sea > change in white America’s civil rights thinking.  (Could just as > well be in the ‘People’ or ‘America’ categories.)

That rings a faint bell…Maybe I read it, but I don’t think so. Maybe I read a critic of it….  > > Caravans: (written before the women’s liberation movement of the > 60’s) revolves around a liberated woman who seeks a kind of > freedom she can’t find in mid-century America.  Fiction, naive, > eerily prescient, but also works as a travelogue and commentary > on pre-mid-east-conflict Afghanistan.  (Touches on some > archaeological mysteries that I’d never heard of, too.)

Was that written by a woman or a man? > James Michener is a consummate rocking chair storyteller and > Tales From The South Pacific is the Pulitzer Prize winner that > brought him to the world’s attention.  All sorts of themes on the > human condition in these Tales.  You can read this and easily > think: Hey, this guy has a future in writing.  LOL

:) > Shogun: Oh, my! Exotic setting sweeps you away, wheels within > wheels plotting, a thriller… superb.

The series did not grab my attention for some reason. I think I had missed episodes the two times I saw it replayed…But perhaps reading it would be totally different… Sometimes, some movie leaves me cold, while the book they made it from I find great, some other times -rarer-, I’ll like the movie, and not the book.  >  >> Although biographies don’t apeal to me much, I think it coudl be  >> a good thing to ahve a clue who exists, existed and who they >> might ever be or what about:). > Well, I said ‘People’ to include more than biographies:  The > Razor’s Edge

Same Razor’s Edge as movie with Gene Tierney? That I saw. Got the video here. Watched it a few times, so I remember parts of it…. is about marching to a different drummer.  Thing Of > Beauty is a carrying-the-seeds-of-your-own-destruction tragedy. > Surely You’re Joking Mr Feynman is pure fun and too short by > half. (It’s an example of the mischief a guy can get into when he > is a genius and also possesses a genius for living.)  Walt > Disney-Hollywood’s Dark Prince:  (Say it ain’t so!  Why don’t > they assassinate Bambi while they’re at it?). > Jeez, I could go on and on (that must be why they’re > ‘favorites’).

Quite an interesting variety though, by the description of it all. >> But for novels, it is different… >> I sort of get taken by the exerience, as in "live it", where >> then I do not memorize the pages, nor much of the story eihter!! >> I only will remember the FEELING I had reading them. "Yuk", >> "Boring", "captivating", etc. > I do the same.  Case in point was when you commented a while back > on reading Confederacy of Dunces.  After being surprised that > three people in here had read it -it must be the attractive > title-  I watched people posting details that I had forgotten. > It had been long enough since I read the book that it had faded > to the point where I was thinking in terms of ‘the guy who ate > all his hotdogs’ and the remembrance that it was ‘comical’.

Well, see, I talked about it *as I read it*, and only now remember the hot dogs thing cause you mention it. One thing I also remember is sort of a mental note I made about somethign specific to the narrator: the vision of the world changes with each character, which gives way to the entire action in the book. The plot is not so much built by the events, but by the *interpretation* of events or projectiosn each character makes on some other(s), and in that., I think it caught so well how real people are. It gave each character a dimension too forgotten in literature, and showed its authors exceptional genius right there. So that I remember, and the sort of humour also specific to the book…  > >> > Yeah.  I know of an orchid called ‘Huntleya heteroclita’.   >> > When I first read your original comment, I thought you were >> > calling me a hothouse flower… until I sussed that there is >> > also a ‘heteroclite’.  LOL. >> Does it exist in English? I took a chance using the French >> word:). > Yes.  Means irregular, deviating from the norm.  It obviously fit > your context better than ‘orchid’.

Erm…In French, it means rather (in my own words) "a collection/group/ensemble of disparate items ("disparate" being French word again that I hope exists in English?) (Disparate= that do not belong to a same category). So in French, it has nothign to do with deviance from a norm:). Languages are fascinating for how sometimes the very essence of a culture can be sensed in what words they have that another culture does not at all, and what meaning they give a word that another language/culture does not. "Heteroclite" does not at all have per se a negative connotation, in French. It *can* but is not used with that under it most of the time, except, for instance, if one would say "The room was burried under a pile of heteroclite junk". Which would sound like the room Iam in right now:). And where it would sound like a mess but because of the words "junk" and "pile" and "burried". I guess diversity is not seen as being that bad in the French culture then **in the referent of this word**  and of what I know of it in English from reading your words above. Chloe >  > Disraeli

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I’m here "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

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<Resent> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > Gee, this place is dead today….

<I sent this the other day, and it didn’t show up so I blew it off, but since you sound bored, here it is again…> =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B0=B0=B0?= (disra…@enter.not) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > I should bring you in a book store and have you name such > categories to me until I’d go "YES!! THAT!". > Business would bore me.

Ah, well, the categories are oversimplified to keep their numbers down.  For instance: Barbarians At The Gate might be set in corporate America, but it’s really a story about warlords driven by naked greed and thirst for glory conducting war on one another.  Could just as well be classed a ’suspense’ novel if not for the fact that it’s a true story. (I’m fond of real-life stories that have the elements of a good novel and I’ll admit they pepper my list.) > Historical is a great idea, but there I want the > entire encyclopedia and to read it in chronological order, not > alphabetical.

My list is where I spent my own nickel for recreational reading, so they are far from academic tomes- more like stories about/from the past.  For instance: Black Like Me: about a white guy who shot himself up with melanin to turn his skin black and then traveled in the pre-civil-rights USA to experience what it was like to be "a Negro in the Deep South".  True story (with photos) helped kick-start the sea change in white America’s civil rights thinking.  (Could just as well be in the ‘People’ or ‘America’ categories.) Caravans: (written before the women’s liberation movement of the 60’s) revolves around a liberated woman who seeks a kind of freedom she can’t find in mid-century America.  Fiction, naive, eerily prescient, but also works as a travelogue and commentary on pre-mid-east-conflict Afghanistan.  (Touches on some archaeological mysteries that I’d never heard of, too.) James Michener is a consummate rocking chair storyteller and Tales From The South Pacific is the Pulitzer Prize winner that brought him to the world’s attention.  All sorts of themes on the human condition in these Tales.  You can read this and easily think: Hey, this guy has a future in writing.  LOL Shogun: Oh, my! Exotic setting sweeps you away, wheels within wheels plotting, a thriller… superb. > Although biographies don’t apeal to me much, I think it coudl be > a good thing to ahve a clue who exists, existed and who they > might ever be or what about:).

Well, I said ‘People’ to include more than biographies:  The Razor’s Edge is about marching to a different drummer.  Thing Of Beauty is a carrying-the-seeds-of-your-own-destruction tragedy. Surely You’re Joking Mr Feynman is pure fun and too short by half. (It’s an example of the mischief a guy can get into when he is a genius and also possesses a genius for living.)  Walt Disney-Hollywood’s Dark Prince:  (Say it ain’t so!  Why don’t they assassinate Bambi while they’re at it?). Jeez, I could go on and on (that must be why they’re ‘favorites’). > But for novels, it is different… > I sort of get taken by the exerience, as in "live it", where > then I do not memorize the pages, nor much of the story eihter!! > I only will remember the FEELING I had reading them. "Yuk", > "Boring", "captivating", etc.

I do the same.  Case in point was when you commented a while back on reading Confederacy of Dunces.  After being surprised that three people in here had read it -it must be the attractive title-  I watched people posting details that I had forgotten. It had been long enough since I read the book that it had faded to the point where I was thinking in terms of ‘the guy who ate all his hotdogs’ and the remembrance that it was ‘comical’. > > Yeah.  I know of an orchid called ‘Huntleya heteroclita’.   > > When I first read your original comment, I thought you were > > calling me a hothouse flower… until I sussed that there is > > also a ‘heteroclite’.  LOL. > Does it exist in English? I took a chance using the French > word:).

Yes.  Means irregular, deviating from the norm.  It obviously fit your context better than ‘orchid’. Disraeli

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