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Heh. -snip- Seems as if Ebay couldn’t have cared less. They got their $2.25 after all. -Rod-

Rod, you know as well as we do that the $2.25 is not the point; courtesy and respect regarding the venues of others on the internet is the issue. Spam is an intrusion within newsgroups, jello is an intrusion into auction groups. e-Bay didn’t care??? _This_ statement is from the e-Bay staff-on-duty: "…another auction that will be stopped…can’t blame them for trying…It’s amazing…."

Amazing indeed (I got curious and went and read the thread in e-Bay’s cafe forum). e-Bay aint for jello, newsgroups aint for spam. Your seedling and your CD auctions are appropriate. It’s common sense, Rod. My freshman "Ethics in Philosophy" students couldn’t even find anything to debate in this . . . . Bob/BOTANA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, don’t be so quick to scoff about where another plants his "seeds". Can I quote that regarding spam as well? or only jello? This was cut from an ebay discussion group a deja-search showed up that the Venger Orchid seller has protested spam in a newsgroup he sends snips into about ten times aday with a multiline advertising signature. The guy is the moderator of the group he abuses with the signature and now hes abusing e-Bay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 A bad trend is the use of e-Bay for fraudulent or frivolous "auctions" designed to simply and cheaply provide a link to an on-line sales site: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 posted by Venger Orchids which sells flowers on the internet. What is the official policy toward using e-bay to promote an internet business by placing _fake_ items or _no items_ up for bidding… Venger Orchid: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 "I’ve seen eBay cancel those type of auctions immediately …when notified." It doesn’t seem appropriate for an Internet business to use e-Bay for cheap advertising . . . there’s no auction… only a sales pitch and an active link. Someone has bid… what do they get? This is cheap jello. Is it fraud? Theres nothing there but the link to Vengers Orchid. Thank you for the information. We will send it to the proper department ("Safe Harbor") to be investigated. We appreciate assistance from our users in helping to keep our site a safe and enjoyable place to trade. "…another auction that will be stopped…can’t blame them for trying…It’s amazing…." It seems that THEY care

Heh. It would also seem they they bent the truth just a little when needed. Advertising? Nope. The link went to the WC article and nowhere else. Nothing was being sold under the guise of being free. In fact, I have not made one single penny from it. What I did do is spread the word about water culture. Not one email complaint has been received. Promote my business? Again, no. The link goes to the WC article and nowhere else. Sales pitch? Think again. Nothing is being sold and the "auction" plainly states that. Abuse of ebay? Probably. But they got paid for it. Fraud? Better not come here and attach his name to such a statement without SOME evidence that I was posting misleading information. Fact is, the header plainly states "Orchids – Don’t bid on me!" Moderator of the group? I don’t think so. "Abuses with the signature"? Sig files are specifically provided for in netiquette. When you dissect the purported statements, you actually find very little fact at all. As it happens, the "auction" ended normally after it’s 7 days had expired. Seems as if Ebay couldn’t have cared less. They got their $2.25 after all. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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So, don’t be so quick to scoff about where another plants his "seeds".

Can I quote that regarding spam as well? or only jello? This was cut from an ebay discussion group – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a deja-search showed up that the Venger Orchid seller has protested spam in a newsgroup he sends snips into about ten times aday with a multiline advertising signature. The guy is the moderator of the group he abuses with the signature and now hes abusing e-Bay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 A bad trend is the use of e-Bay for fraudulent or frivolous "auctions" designed to simply and cheaply provide a link to an on-line sales site: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 posted by Venger Orchids which sells flowers on the internet. What is the official policy toward using e-bay to promote an internet business by placing _fake_ items or _no items_ up for bidding… Venger Orchid: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=44913241 "I’ve seen eBay cancel those type of auctions immediately …when notified." It doesn’t seem appropriate for an Internet business to use e-Bay for cheap advertising . . . there’s no auction… only a sales pitch and an active link. Someone has bid… what do they get? This is cheap jello. Is it fraud? Theres nothing there but the link to Vengers Orchid. Thank you for the information. We will send it to the proper department ("Safe Harbor") to be investigated. We appreciate assistance from our users in helping to keep our site a safe and enjoyable place to trade. "…another auction that will be stopped…can’t blame them for trying…It’s amazing…."

It seems that THEY care

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insecurities?

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So Bob, how’s things in Cheeseland? Personally, I don’t know what jello is or isn’t, and don’t care what Rob does or doesn’t post where, or as whom. He’s helped me here in the past, and I’m grateful to him for it, as I am to others. I take what I need from here and leave the rest, mostly without comment. It ain’t religion, folks. Call me what you will (and someone prolly will, once I announce it), I keep my e-mail address strictly private on the NG’s to avoid both SPAM and comments that folks would "rather not" make in public (as it’s been my experience that there’s often a reason for that). IMHO, everybody’d get along a lot better if they just kept NG issues and conversations in the public eye, where people tend to behave. Hate to see it this go on in what I only know as a nice helpful group. Enjoy your holidays. I’m taking a break from the mudslinging. — Barbara I am tired, I am weary, I could sleep for one thousand years…

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What a hoot. :-) I am going straight to ebay…

…What is "ebay"?

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Hi, http://www.ebay.com It is a place on the web to buy and sell things…by bidding for them. This morning a search on the term ‘orchids’ produced a list of 51 items, although without closer inspection this list looked mostly like a collection of books and arts on the theme — I don’t think I saw any ‘real’ orchids when I glanced the list. -Al Zone 10 in my basement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a hoot. :-) I am going straight to ebay… …What is "ebay"?

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Since this is my first day in this newsgroup, I feel I should apologize for my presumption to post. However, this thread got my attention as I am so very new to orchids and thought "orchid jello" might be some mysterious new growing medium. Once I understood the reference, I thought my recent experience might give some perspective. Three weeks ago…and totally "orchidless"…I saw this same offering on Ebay. I decided to investigate…read the cultural information…was very intrigued…started researching orchids on the Web…opened a new folder in ‘Favorites’ for "Orchids"…shared what I was learning with my sister and a co-worker…got them intrigued as well. Because of this one Ebay offering, there are now three new orchid hobbyists providing windowshelf space for ten beautiful "babies" purchased from a poster to this group. My personal collection now numbers seven…my share of four from the initial purchase plus three more from a source who advertised in the classifieds at The Orchid Mall. Another two plants are on their way to me from two other sources. Two of my plants are being water-cultured and seem to be loving it. I recognize names in this forum because I have visited your websites and have found every one of them to be beautiful, educational and enthralling. I now realize that "orchid jello" is INDEED a new growing medium – perhaps not for my plants, but for me as my interest in and knowledge of orchids continues to grow a bit more each day. So, don’t be so quick to scoff about where another plants his "seeds". Amazing things can grow in the most unlikely places. Thank you, Jaye

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since this is my first day in this newsgroup, I feel I should apologize for my presumption to post. However, this thread got my attention as I am so very new to orchids and thought "orchid jello" might be some mysterious new growing medium. Once I understood the reference, I thought my recent experience might give some perspective. Three weeks ago…and totally "orchidless"…I saw this same offering on Ebay. I decided to investigate…read the cultural information…was very intrigued…started researching orchids on the Web…opened a new folder in ‘Favorites’ for "Orchids"…shared what I was learning with my sister and a co-worker…got them intrigued as well. Because of this one Ebay offering, there are now three new orchid hobbyists providing windowshelf space for ten beautiful "babies" purchased from a poster to this group. My personal collection now numbers seven…my share of four from the initial purchase plus three more from a source who advertised in the classifieds at The Orchid Mall. Another two plants are on their way to me from two other sources. Two of my plants are being water-cultured and seem to be loving it. I recognize names in this forum because I have visited your websites and have found every one of them to be beautiful, educational and enthralling. I now realize that "orchid jello" is INDEED a new growing medium – perhaps not for my plants, but for me as my interest in and knowledge of orchids continues to grow a bit more each day. So, don’t be so quick to scoff about where another plants his "seeds". Amazing things can grow in the most unlikely places. Thank you, Jaye

Hi Jaye, Interesting indeed I’m glad that WC at least gave you a small push to give the hobby a try. Or is hook, line and sinker, now? Maybe I should be posting a disclaimer that Orchids can be habit forming? Anyhow, welcome to the hobby. Holler if we can be of any help. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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People complain about spam in newsgroup and put jello on e-bay. I’ve seen everything, right? Or are there more surprises in rgo? I thought it was monitored, but was told it just looks that way Taylor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last-minute holiday shopping? eBay’s Gift Alert will save the day! Orchids – Don’t Bid On Me! Item #44913241 Miscellaneous:Garden Items:Plants/Seeds Currently $0.01 First bid $0.01 Quantity 1 # of bids 1 (bid history) (with emails) Time left 5 days, 20 hours + Location Colorado Springs, CO. Started (mail this auction to a friend) Ends (request a gift alert) Seller vengers (0) (view seller’s feedback) (view seller’s other auctions) (ask seller a question) Description Don’t Bid! Did you know that you can grow Orchids in nothing but water? In a glass jar? I’m giving this information to you…No sales pitch, no catch… In 1995 someone asked me how much water a certain type of Orchid could tolerate. I wasn’t sure so decided to experiment a little and in the last 3 years have discovered that Orchids will grow roots able to adapt to their conditions. While Orchid roots in a pot are prone to fungal diseases in the presence of too much water, causing the roots to rot away, roots grown in water are not! In many cases these water cultured plants will grow better than their potted cousins. So here it is: http://vengers.com/culture/water.htm Everything you need to know is right there. Literally hundreds of Orchid enthusiasts have been trying my method, and this paper has been printed in dozens of Orchid society newsletters around the world. Read it over if it interests you. Questions can be addressed to me first. ANYONE can grow Orchids with this method! And it’s free. Bidding Orchids – Don’t Bid On Me! (Item #44913241) Current bid $0.01 Bid increment $0.05

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P.S. <grinning The type of person that bugs me is one that’s a "farce to be reckoned with"… (Sorry, that just popped out… <G) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barbara Andrewjesk’s post path seems to be the same as O.G.L.E. I wonder why she would want her obvious attitude problem connected with O.G.L.E. I would think that it would make advertiser’s think twice.

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OB, For the time being I *am* O.G.L.E. and very proud of it. I am not hiding behind a false facade or a pseudonym. WYSIWYG here. I would like to think that being genuine is far better than all the farce-ity conducted here. If you perceive that to be an attitude, then so be it. If you surpass your own insecurities and get to know me, you will see that I am also a very loving and giving person who cares deeply about truth and justice. Welcome to my world. :-) Barbara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barbara Andrewjesk’s post path seems to be the same as O.G.L.E. I wonder why she would want her obvious attitude problem connected with O.G.L.E. I would think that it would make advertiser’s think twice.

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Barbara Andrewjesk’s post path seems to be the same as O.G.L.E. I wonder why she would want her obvious attitude problem connected with O.G.L.E. I would think that it would make advertiser’s think twice.

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Great Job Rob! Gee, there is something to be said for ‘Freedom of Speech’…and this is a very entertaining site :] but I (and this is my ‘freely’ expressed opinion) think that Orchid Growing should be a ‘FUN’ and ‘ENJOYABLE’ "hobby" (sorry Robert :] ) Some of those in the group take themselves and others much too seriously! That’s bad for the Heart in more than one way Guys & Gals! Marla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee! There really _is_ something to be said for Tradition, or am I simply in the good ol’ Holiday Spirit? But it _was_ refreshing, after an all-nighter of jazz in Chicago, to get back to Racine here (yup, in WISCONSIN) and read smarmy remarks/controversy in rgo: a sense of constancy & consistency in a precarious world!! Taylor: I too find the use of e-bay for jello offensive . . . as does e-bay and the regulars (judging from comments this past year in their chat and on the e-bay newsgroups . . . .) But it has happened before and will happen again; this time it happens to respond to an "orchids" search. Yes, jello is like spam . . . . Rod: why do you lock people out-of or take folks off your ODO (me!) simply because they disagree at times with "Official" dogma? Taylor & Barbara et.al have the right to feel the need to comment on issues of related interest to orchids, orchid-culture, and orchid-people. Barbara: I don’t think you need to apologise to anyone here . . . for anything . . . . I never felt that Linda needed to absolve or defend herself from the protracted ridicule a year or so ago, either. Deenise: It’s an open forum . . . it’s "news", not just "Q&A". Your comments are welcome (far better than merely "lurking") and you can & should champion what (or whom) you choose. You don’t send me personal e-mail (unlike the Gang of Five . . . remember Mao?) To all: the spirit of most hobby-related newsgroups that are comprised of intelligent people with highly passionate "hobbies" (hate that word!) are far more political and personal than rgo. Rgo is comprised of very intelligent and passionate people. Therefore, the politics will appear. I can see no use for filtering everything and anyone out of groups, e-mail, etc. nor banning people from free-speech in _any_ arena . . . but to each their own, I guess. Someone recently remarked on the content of rgo that we "love to hate" . . . yes! Such content may polarize, albeait only a handful of folks, but it aint spam or jello . . . . Ah, the warm traditions mean so much more during the Holiday Season! -Bob/BOTANA US Zone 5 (no filtering here!)

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As an addendum to my last post, Barb, I’ve filtered you out from here as well. Say what you will, when you will. I won’t see it. It’s a shame that you let personality overcome what this newsgroup is all about. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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Gee! There really _is_ something to be said for Tradition, or am I simply in the good ol’ Holiday Spirit? But it _was_ refreshing, after an all-nighter of jazz in Chicago, to get back to Racine here (yup, in WISCONSIN) and read smarmy remarks/controversy in rgo: a sense of constancy & consistency in a precarious world!! Taylor: I too find the use of e-bay for jello offensive . . . as does e-bay and the regulars (judging from comments this past year in their chat and on the e-bay newsgroups . . . .) But it has happened before and will happen again; this time it happens to respond to an "orchids" search. Yes, jello is like spam . . . . Rod: why do you lock people out-of or take folks off your ODO (me!) simply because they disagree at times with "Official" dogma? Taylor & Barbara et.al have the right to feel the need to comment on issues of related interest to orchids, orchid-culture, and orchid-people. Barbara: I don’t think you need to apologise to anyone here . . . for anything . . . . I never felt that Linda needed to absolve or defend herself from the protracted ridicule a year or so ago, either. Deenise: It’s an open forum . . . it’s "news", not just "Q&A". Your comments are welcome (far better than merely "lurking") and you can & should champion what (or whom) you choose. You don’t send me personal e-mail (unlike the Gang of Five . . . remember Mao?) To all: the spirit of most hobby-related newsgroups that are comprised of intelligent people with highly passionate "hobbies" (hate that word!) are far more political and personal than rgo. Rgo is comprised of very intelligent and passionate people. Therefore, the politics will appear. I can see no use for filtering everything and anyone out of groups, e-mail, etc. nor banning people from free-speech in _any_ arena . . . but to each their own, I guess. Someone recently remarked on the content of rgo that we "love to hate" . . . yes! Such content may polarize, albeait only a handful of folks, but it aint spam or jello . . . . Ah, the warm traditions mean so much more during the Holiday Season! -Bob/BOTANA US Zone 5 (no filtering here!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rod, I’m sorry, but you are wrong. ‘Denise’ replied to me and the newsgroup. Here is the my copy of the message, complete with header… You can’t explain this away…Unless of course, Denise sent it from your computer. For the readers of RGO, my apologies. Since I cannot email or contact Rod in any way, this is my only means of clearing this up…and you are my witnesses. Don’t torch me till you’ve been in my shoes. Barbara In this case I will reply. I haven’t seen Denise in weeks. So no, she did not send any message from my computer. As for the header, well, I for one am not in the habit of making wild accusations in public. Fact is, you’ve been dogging me for at least a year, bad mouthing me at any opportunity whether the present circumstances warranted it or not. Deja-News archives are full of your venom. This is nothing more than yet another chapter. Two weeks ago you asked me to reconsider my position, stating you had been a "Good Girl". This is an example? On your head. I will not reply to any further posts. It’s business as usual. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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In this case I will reply. I haven’t seen Denise in weeks. So no, she did not send any message from my computer. As for the header, well, I for one am not in the habit of making wild accusations in public. Fact is, you’ve been dogging me for at least a year, bad mouthing me at any opportunity whether the present circumstances warranted it or not. Deja-News archives are full of your venom. This is nothing more than yet another chapter. Two weeks ago you asked me to reconsider my position, stating you had been a "Good Girl". This is an example? On your head. I will not reply to any further posts. It’s business as usual. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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You owe me an apology. As it happens, Denise lives 2 hours from me. She may even have the same provider. Your accusation is affront to my honesty as well as my integrity. You condemn me because her path is "nearly identical" to mine. No more will be said on any of this but I will seek satisfaction if you won’t give it to me willingly.. And you wonder why you’ve been banned from Venger’s… -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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Rod, I’m sorry, but you are wrong. ‘Denise’ replied to me and the newsgroup. Here is the my copy of the message, complete with header… You can’t explain this away…Unless of course, Denise sent it from your computer. For the readers of RGO, my apologies. Since I cannot email or contact Rod in any way, this is my only means of clearing this up…and you are my witnesses. Don’t torch me till you’ve been in my shoes. Barbara Received: by home for andrewj (with Cubic Circle’s cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat Nov 28 20:45:57 1998) Received: from magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net (magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.8]) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with ESMTP id UAA26656 for [206.133.172.245]) by magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12560 Organization: Orchids for Life! X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.gardens.orchids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 9011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 24e14258bd090000 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People complain about spam in newsgroup and put jello on e-bay. I’ve seen everything, right? Or are there more surprises in rgo? I thought it was monitored, but was told it just looks that way Taylor [SNIP] You found a problem with that? I’ve been inundated with email by the curious. I’d say that it served it’s purpose very well Oh, and not one complaint. -Rod- There might be a complaint if the bidder pays for something and gets nothing in return…

What does any of this have to do with this newsgroup? Rod posted an "auction" that was nothing more than a pointer to his water culture article. So what? As usual he’s expanding on the hobby. I looked at it and see no scams there. He’s not selling anything, trying to trap anyone nor is he being misleading in any way. He’s giving away information and paying ebay for the privelage. Between "Taylor" (who just happens to be from Wisconsin) and Barbara, it sounds to me like WHO is giving the information away is the issue, not the fact that it’s there. Any denials? If not, just what is the connection between the "auction" and this newsgroup? DSJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, Denise… You want to explain to me why the path from your posts is nearly identical to the path of the posts from Rod Venger? Could it be that you are one and the same? Face it, we are on to you. I’m sure even Denise would spell her hotmail name correctly! Come clean, would ya?? Enuff is enuff. You owe me an apology. As it happens, Denise lives 2 hours from me. She may even have the same provider. Your accusation is affront to my honesty as well as my integrity. You condemn me because her path is "nearly identical" to mine. No more will be said on any of this but I will seek satisfaction if you won’t give it to me willingly.. And you wonder why you’ve been banned from Venger’s… -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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Now, Denise… You want to explain to me why the path from your posts is nearly identical to the path of the posts from Rod Venger? Could it be that you are one and the same? Face it, we are on to you. I’m sure even Denise would spell her hotmail name correctly! Come clean, would ya?? Enuff is enuff. Tired of the Stupidity of this Idiocy, Barbara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People complain about spam in newsgroup and put jello on e-bay. I’ve seen everything, right? Or are there more surprises in rgo? I thought it was monitored, but was told it just looks that way Taylor [SNIP] You found a problem with that? I’ve been inundated with email by the curious. I’d say that it served it’s purpose very well Oh, and not one complaint. -Rod- There might be a complaint if the bidder pays for something and gets nothing in return… What does any of this have to do with this newsgroup? Rod posted an "auction" that was nothing more than a pointer to his water culture article. So what? As usual he’s expanding on the hobby. I looked at it and see no scams there. He’s not selling anything, trying to trap anyone nor is he being misleading in any way. He’s giving away information and paying ebay for the privelage. Between "Taylor" (who just happens to be from Wisconsin) and Barbara, it sounds to me like WHO is giving the information away is the issue, not the fact that it’s there. Any denials? If not, just what is the connection between the "auction" and this newsgroup? DSJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People complain about spam in newsgroup and put jello on e-bay. I’ve seen everything, right? Or are there more surprises in rgo? I thought it was monitored, but was told it just looks that way Taylor [SNIP] You found a problem with that? I’ve been inundated with email by the curious. I’d say that it served it’s purpose very well Oh, and not one complaint. -Rod- There might be a complaint if the bidder pays for something and gets nothing in return…

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People complain about spam in newsgroup and put jello on e-bay. I’ve seen everything, right? Or are there more surprises in rgo? I thought it was monitored, but was told it just looks that way Taylor [SNIP] You found a problem with that? I’ve been inundated with email by the curious. I’d say that it served it’s purpose very well Oh, and not one complaint. -Rod-

There might be a complaint if the bidder pays for something and gets nothing in return…

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Complain away….it says don’t bid. The material is free. Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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[SNIP] You found a problem with that? I’ve been inundated with email by the curious. I’d say that it served it’s purpose very well Oh, and not one complaint. -Rod- Venger’s Orchids Website http://www.vengers.com/ Basic Culture CD-ROM: http://vengers.com/demo/cd.htm

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What a hoot. :-) I am going straight to ebay… -Al

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