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Question:

Stephen, I agree with you about the apparent lack of limits on stupidity out there, but I just figure I’ll see some familiar names in next year’s Darwin Awards.

Ray, I seem to recall about 10 years back when the L.A. area had an outbreak of med fruit fly, malathion was being applied via plane and helicopter, people were upset about it, so a gentleman with their co-op extension drank some malathion from the bottle to prove how safe it was.  Go figure. Stephen- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting" until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen

Response:

Interesting, the label on the Enstar II I purchased today says 4 hours REI — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most insecticides are approved for specific uses and areas only. Some are only to be used outdoors, with use in greenhouses restricted, while others can be used inside the home. I picked up a copy of the Enstar II lable today while making a purchase at a local wholesale horticulture supply company. Enstar II is labled for use in greenhouses and interiorscapes. There is no mention of its use being recommended in the home. The usual precautions are noted on the lable, wear protective clothing, gloves, shoes and socks. Don’t breath the vapor etc. The REI stated on the lable is 12 so one of the catalogs I have is incorrect. I was surprised to find out that Knox Out, microencapsulated diazinon was restricted since up until about a year ago this product was readily available The restriction it turns out is for outdoor use. Seems it kills song birds and should not be used. It is still labled for use in greenhouses. None of the products were recommended for home use. So proceed with

caution.

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Please define "interiorscapes". I would think that a lot of people may infer that this would qualify for use in the home. Thanks Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most insecticides are approved for specific uses and areas only. Some are only to be used outdoors, with use in greenhouses restricted, while others can be used inside the home. I picked up a copy of the Enstar II lable today while making a purchase at a local wholesale horticulture supply company. Enstar II is labled for use in greenhouses and interiorscapes. There is no mention of its use being recommended in the home. The usual precautions are noted on the lable, wear protective clothing, gloves, shoes and socks. Don’t breath the vapor etc. The REI stated on the lable is 12 so one of the catalogs I have is incorrect.

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The label states: "Enstar II Insect Growth Regulator for Control of Whiteflies, Aphids, Soft-bodies and Armored Scales, Mealybugs, and Fungus Gnats in Greenhouses and Interiorscapes (i.e., Atriums) on Ornamental Plants." — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please define "interiorscapes". I would think that a lot of people may infer that this would qualify for use in the home. Thanks Scott Most insecticides are approved for specific uses and areas only. Some are only to be used outdoors, with use in greenhouses restricted, while others can be used inside the home. I picked up a copy of the Enstar II lable today while making a purchase at a local wholesale horticulture supply company. Enstar II is labled for use in greenhouses and interiorscapes. There is no mention of its use being recommended in the home. The usual precautions are noted on the lable, wear protective clothing, gloves, shoes and socks. Don’t breath the vapor etc. The REI stated on the lable is 12 so one of the catalogs I have is incorrect.

Response:

Most insecticides are approved for specific uses and areas only. Some are only to be used outdoors, with use in greenhouses restricted, while others can be used inside the home.

I picked up a copy of the Enstar II lable today while making a purchase at a local wholesale horticulture supply company. Enstar II is labled for use in greenhouses and interiorscapes. There is no mention of its use being recommended in the home. The usual precautions are noted on the lable, wear protective clothing, gloves, shoes and socks. Don’t breath the vapor etc. The REI stated on the lable is 12 so one of the catalogs I have is incorrect. I was surprised to find out that Knox Out, microencapsulated diazinon was restricted since up until about a year ago this product was readily available

The restriction it turns out is for outdoor use. Seems it kills song birds and should not be used. It is still labled for use in greenhouses. None of the products were recommended for home use. So proceed with caution.

Response:

I’ve used neem oil, the smell, although unpleasant is not that big a deal, it blasted some phal flowers I had coming on – no big deal, but unfortunately it didn’t get rid of the mealie bugs even after repeated application. Personally I don’t think it works. I know that is heretical but hey, that’s my observations on neem I looked up the specs on Enstar II and besides wearing gloves and eye protection, there doesn’t appear to be much to get alarmed about. The LD50s are in the thousands of mg/kg for eating it and in the mg/kg range for inhaling it. The exposure limit for the solvent (C9 organics – xylene) is 100ppm or a 0.01% solution in air (that is for an 8 hr work day/ 40 hour work week exposure) – anyone have any sense of vaporization rate for xylene in solution? As a 16% solution in the stock it gets diluted to 1 ounce to 3-5 gallons (~390 – 640 fold dilution or less than 0.04% in the final solution). Please feel free to correct my math – its not my long suit but it seems to me that the amount of organics you are likely to breath due to vaporization is less than you would get using fingernail polish remover. I’m all for care in dealing with chemicals but honestly you are dealing with chemicals every day – neem is a whole collections of chemicals, alcohol is a chemical and we spray that on orchids with no worry. The stuff people typically use to clean their bathrooms is probably more noxious than what is in Enstar. Buy a new car and you are probably exposed to more outgassing of organics driving to work than you are with Enstar. Or just get it via the exhaust from other people’s cars as they burn gasoline which has xylene in it. Oh, btw, don’t paint your house – paints of various kinds have xylene in them. And don’t smoke since there are small amounts of xylene in tobacco. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would definitely keep most of those chems out of my house.  As far as keeping bugs at bay while not risking poisoning the rest of your family – pets and all – I would recommend neem oil. The biggest problem is the rotten onion odor while it’s still wet… — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really would like a some sort of consensis about use of anti-pest agents in my house. I grow in my livingroom, I have two ferrets and no kids. I also would like to find something effective against mealies which come inside with the orchids after summering outside. I do my best to irradicate them prior to bringing the orchids back in but generally have a few hanger-ons. The ones that seem to evade my efforts are those that find their ways into leaf sheaths and other hard to get at areas so I would like a systemic (is Enstar systemic?). To avoid vapor in the house I would like a drench (especially as much of what I have is mounted). Has anyone used Enstar II (forget about Mavrik since I can’t stand the smell of the  active compound). I figure if I dip each orchid (wearing gloves) and avoid leaving any standing water around I should be pretty safe with Enstar II. Anyone have any contrary comments? I can keep the ferrets out of the area for the day. Two treatments 7 days apart are supposed to be enough to get rid of resident pests so as long as I don’t introduce new I figure I will be okay. Max Stephen, I agree with you about the apparent lack of limits on stupidity out there, but I just figure I’ll see some familiar names in next year’s Darwin Awards. — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting" to argue until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen Before you buy.

Before you buy.

Response:

What besides a small amount of Xylene makes Enstar II objectionable. And if it is the Xylene, non-chronic exposure to that, especially if it isn’t sprayed, is a pretty low risk. I use the stuff in the lab for histology.

Most insecticides are approved for specific uses and areas only. Some are only to be used outdoors, with use in greenhouses restricted, while others can be used inside the home. Rather than assume anything, the safest thing to do is obtain a copy of the MSA on Enstar II prior to purchase. You should be able to obtain it from either the distributor or directly from the manufacturer. I have three different major wholesale horticultural suppliers catalogs and some of them contain different information. One of them has Enstar II with an REI of 4 while another has an REI of 12. Which one is correct? I was surprised to find out that Knox Out, microencapsulated diazinon was restricted since up until about a year ago this product was readily available at most larger garden centers. Now you need a license to purchase it and it cannot be sent by UPS. There have been many incidents noted where injuries have occured through the use of insecticides. Some of the damage was caused by absorption through the skin. Many of the injuries were to the central nervous system. It’s better to know a product is safe to use in the home rather than question why it might not be.

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I would definitely keep most of those chems out of my house.  As far as keeping bugs at bay while not risking poisoning the rest of your family – pets and all – I would recommend neem oil. The biggest problem is the rotten onion odor while it’s still wet… — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really would like a some sort of consensis about use of anti-pest agents in my house. I grow in my livingroom, I have two ferrets and no kids. I also would like to find something effective against mealies which come inside with the orchids after summering outside. I do my best to irradicate them prior to bringing the orchids back in but generally have a few hanger-ons. The ones that seem to evade my efforts are those that find their ways into leaf sheaths and other hard to get at areas so I would like a systemic (is Enstar systemic?). To avoid vapor in the house I would like a drench (especially as much of what I have is mounted). Has anyone used Enstar II (forget about Mavrik since I can’t stand the smell of the  active compound). I figure if I dip each orchid (wearing gloves) and avoid leaving any standing water around I should be pretty safe with Enstar II. Anyone have any contrary comments? I can keep the ferrets out of the area for the day. Two treatments 7 days apart are supposed to be enough to get rid of resident pests so as long as I don’t introduce new I figure I will be okay. Max Stephen, I agree with you about the apparent lack of limits on stupidity out there, but I just figure I’ll see some familiar names in next year’s Darwin Awards. — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting" argue until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen Before you buy.

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until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early

Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen

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Stephen, I agree with you about the apparent lack of limits on stupidity out there, but I just figure I’ll see some familiar names in next year’s Darwin Awards. — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen

Response:

Some people develop allergic reactions to pythrethins and pyrethroids, the category to which Mavrik (fluvalinate) belongs. Hypersensitiviy reactions do not equate to toxicity. There are probably far more people allegic to peanuts than pyrethroids, yet I haven’t heard anyone advising the public to keep peanuts out of the house.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – toxicity Howard, Thought I would add my $.02 to this discussion.  I would not be using Mavrik Aquaflow on plants inside the house even if they were in the basement.  I definitely wouldn’t use it if someone had respiratory problems and was around it.  It will send anyone who is not in protective gear around it into a coughing spell like you wouldn’t believe.  It may be low toxicity but I would stay away from it inside.  A greenhouse with protective gear is fine. My opinion but I have seen how it affects people, myself included. Regards, Stephen

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"Stephen": Okay, be paranoid. It’s your choice – just as mine is to be less so, and to depend on published information regarding mammalian toxicity. I’m glad your strident call for caution with Mavrik will only result in some incidents where people will avoid using it. Your observation that you’ve never seen anyone not wearing "safety equipment" (I presume you mean a respirator) come into contact with it and not "go into immediate fits of coughing", is just that – your observation. I have had contrary experience, although, of course, I do not advocate anyone violating published regulatory guidelines on PPE or worker protection. As for the ridiculous and provocative statement that you’ve never seen a peanut with a REI attached to it – no response. I leave it to others to evaluate the rationality of that statement.   Personally, I’d have no particular worries about taking a plant recently sprayed with Mavrik into my living area to display its blooms, but I wouldn’t apply it there with my sprayer. I have more common sense than that, and I optimistically assume most others do to.   I made no claim that you had said Mavrik was "highly toxic", nor did I state or imply that the decisions to use or avoid potentially toxic pesticides was a "laughing matter". Only a fool would do so.   Some people have a need to argue until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Again, Several points in regards to C. Early’s response to my earlier statements on Mavrik.  First, I never said it was highly toxic.  Also if it as safe as I gather C. Early thinks it is, why does it have an REI attached with it? Why doesn’t it say you can use it with people working nearby?  Why does it mention safety equipment to be used with it?  I would like to know if  C. Early would use it in his house with people and pets present, esp. children? Also I never heard of a peanut that had an REI attached to it.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but haven’t people died from allergic reactions to specific substances?  Having used pesticides for over 30 years and been exposed to many truly dangerous ones, I have learned to be extremely cautious with them.  That is one reason I would not advise anyone about pesticides and how safe they are.  Many of the banned pesticides today were considered safe in their day.  Two come to mind immediately, DDT and Chlordane.  Chlordane used to be sold over the counter.  I will tell you again that I never saw anyone come into contact with Mavrik with no safety equipment on who didn’t go into immediate fits of coughing.  Several of these we had to send to the emergency room with one going on oxygen.  To me, this is no laughing matter.  I am sure there are many people who would not show this reaction, but I wouldn’t suggest they try just to see if they are one of them or not.  I am not trying to pick a fight, I would rather see people be safe rather than sorry.  I stick by my original statement, I would not advise anyone to use it in the house and I definitely wouldn’t use it if I were home alone.  I’m quite sure there will be all sorts of disagreement to this, but better you than me to tell someone you don’t know, along with not knowing their medical history, that a pesticide is safe to use.  I wouldn’t want it on my head if something went wrong. Regards, Stephen Some people develop allergic reactions to pythrethins and pyrethroids, the category to which Mavrik (fluvalinate) belongs. Hypersensitiviy reactions do not equate to toxicity. There are probably far more people allegic to peanuts than pyrethroids, yet I haven’t heard anyone advising the public to keep peanuts out of the house. low toxicity Howard, Thought I would add my $.02 to this discussion.  I would not be using Mavrik Aquaflow on plants inside the house even if they were in the basement. I definitely wouldn’t use it if someone had respiratory problems and was around it.  It will send anyone who is not in protective gear around it into a coughing spell like you wouldn’t believe.  It may be low toxicity but I would stay away from it inside.  A greenhouse with protective gear is fine. My opinion but I have seen how it affects people, myself included. Regards, Stephen

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Neither Enstar II nor Mavrik would be recommended for use in the home. The latter has an REI of 12.

I can understand why Mavrik wouldn’t be just based upon the smell which I find objectionable. What besides a small amount of Xylene makes Enstar II objectionable. And if it is the Xylene, non-chronic exposure to that, especially if it isn’t sprayed, is a pretty low risk. I use the stuff in the lab for histology. Before you buy.

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I should be pretty safe with Enstar II. Anyone have any contrary comments?

Neither Enstar II nor Mavrik would be recommended for use in the home. The latter has an REI of 12. I was going to suggest Knox Out, but just noticed that it has been listed as a restricted pesticide and one may need a license to obtain it. One could try using insecticidal soap like one of the Safer products or perhaps a product manufactured by Ortho call "Bloom-Gard".  This insecticide which is pre-metered using the "Lock’N Spray" device is listed for orchid plants and will control mealy and other bugs. In addition it can be sprayed on open flowers without damage. There are no indications on the lable that would preclude use in the home but I just to be safe. If you want to use it as a drench you could spray it into a bucket and then drench your plants. As with all chemicals follow the directions, wear protective clothing and dispose of the container properly.

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I really would like a some sort of consensis about use of anti-pest agents in my house. I grow in my livingroom, I have two ferrets and no kids. I also would like to find something effective against mealies which come inside with the orchids after summering outside. I do my best to irradicate them prior to bringing the orchids back in but generally have a few hanger-ons. The ones that seem to evade my efforts are those that find their ways into leaf sheaths and other hard to get at areas so I would like a systemic (is Enstar systemic?). To avoid vapor in the house I would like a drench (especially as much of what I have is mounted). Has anyone used Enstar II (forget about Mavrik since I can’t stand the smell of the  active compound). I figure if I dip each orchid (wearing gloves) and avoid leaving any standing water around I should be pretty safe with Enstar II. Anyone have any contrary comments? I can keep the ferrets out of the area for the day. Two treatments 7 days apart are supposed to be enough to get rid of resident pests so as long as I don’t introduce new I figure I will be okay. Max – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stephen, I agree with you about the apparent lack of limits on stupidity out there, but I just figure I’ll see some familiar names in next year’s Darwin Awards. — Ray Barkalow –<– First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info "I’m not getting old.  I just need repotting" argue until they feel they have prevailed. I don’t, and do not intend to respond to this issue further. C. Early Neither do I.  I don’t want this to turn into "As The World Turns."  I guess I’ll just go on being my paranoid, strident, ridiculous and provocative self.  Use what used to be a restricted use pesticide in the house if you wish, just remember that a dust mask is not a respirator, and the cannisters need to be changed on a regular basis.  As for me, I’ll stay mentally unbalanced and not use anything that could be potentially hazardous in the house, thank you very much.   To anyone who has been wading through all this garbage, my apologies.  To C. Early, I am sorry if my statements offended you.  Your faith in human nature is much better than mine, I have seen and read too much about the stupid things people do. Stephen

Before you buy.

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  << So where do you get it from…..sounds fairly low toxicity as it recommended for indoor plantscapes (I think) and only 4 hour restricted entry. Howard Howard-any good GH supply house should carry this. I get mine from Griffin, in Tewksbury, MA; however, the closest one to you I know of is Penn Seed Co, Box 390, Dallas, PA 18612-9781; 717-675-8585. The company which makes this also makes Pentac, and Mavrik, and they can be mixed together or used separately. Mavrik is a synthetic pyrethrim with low toxicity; and Pentac is the best miticide on the market and its mode of action precludes resistance, and has no toxicity to vertebrates. As mentioned earlier, Enstar 11 is a growth regulator, so it not only has low toxicity, but there will be no resistance buildup. The company advises using all 3 together as a preventive; I have used these for over 4 years, but not as a preventive. All of these are expensive,  but they do the job. Enstar 11 and Mavrik can be purchased in small amounts; Pentac only comes in a large amount. If you wish to use these as advised by the company, all 3 come in a single bottle. Wilford Neptune

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Hi Again, Several points in regards to C. Early’s response to my earlier statements on Mavrik.  First, I never said it was highly toxic.  Also if it as safe as I gather C. Early thinks it is, why does it have an REI attached with it?  Why doesn’t it say you can use it with people working nearby?  Why does it mention safety equipment to be used with it?  I would like to know if  C. Early would use it in his house with people and pets present, esp. children? Also I never heard of a peanut that had an REI attached to it.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but haven’t people died from allergic reactions to specific substances?  Having used pesticides for over 30 years and been exposed to many truly dangerous ones, I have learned to be extremely cautious with them.  That is one reason I would not advise anyone about pesticides and how safe they are.  Many of the banned pesticides today were considered safe in their day.  Two come to mind immediately, DDT and Chlordane.  Chlordane used to be sold over the counter.  I will tell you again that I never saw anyone come into contact with Mavrik with no safety equipment on who didn’t go into immediate fits of coughing.  Several of these we had to send to the emergency room with one going on oxygen.  To me, this is no laughing matter.  I am sure there are many people who would not show this reaction, but I wouldn’t suggest they try just to see if they are one of them or not.  I am not trying to pick a fight, I would rather see people be safe rather than sorry.  I stick by my original statement, I would not advise anyone to use it in the house and I definitely wouldn’t use it if I were home alone.  I’m quite sure there will be all sorts of disagreement to this, but better you than me to tell someone you don’t know, along with not knowing their medical history, that a pesticide is safe to use.  I wouldn’t want it on my head if something went wrong. Regards, Stephen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some people develop allergic reactions to pythrethins and pyrethroids, the category to which Mavrik (fluvalinate) belongs. Hypersensitiviy reactions do not equate to toxicity. There are probably far more people allegic to peanuts than pyrethroids, yet I haven’t heard anyone advising the public to keep peanuts out of the house. toxicity Howard, Thought I would add my $.02 to this discussion.  I would not be using Mavrik Aquaflow on plants inside the house even if they were in the basement. I definitely wouldn’t use it if someone had respiratory problems and was around it.  It will send anyone who is not in protective gear around it into a coughing spell like you wouldn’t believe.  It may be low toxicity but I would stay away from it inside.  A greenhouse with protective gear is fine. My opinion but I have seen how it affects people, myself included. Regards, Stephen

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I know I asked this before, but I seem to have misplaced the answer.  Where can one obtain Enstar II.  Easiest option would be to order from a web site but I can’t seem to find one that sells it. Howard

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I know I asked this before, but I seem to have misplaced the answer. Where can one obtain Enstar II.

Howard, What is Enstar II? Keith Before you buy.

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What is Enstar II? Keith

Enstar II is an insect growth refulator for control of foliar and ground mealy bug, soft and armored scale, whitefly, aphid and fungus gnat. a 5 oz bottle makes 100 gallons and costs between $68-80 depending on quanity purchased. It has a restricted entry level or REI of 4.

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Enstar II is an insect growth refulator for control of foliar and ground mealy

should be growth regulator

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Enstar II is an insect growth refulator for control of foliar and ground mealy should be growth regulator

So where do you get it from…..sounds fairly low toxicity as it recommended for indoor plantscapes (I think) and only 4 hour restricted entry. Howard

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: So where do you get it from…..sounds fairly low toxicity as it recommended : for indoor plantscapes (I think) and only 4 hour restricted entry. http://www.teufel.com/

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Hello Howard, This is all I could find but there is an 800 # to call & find out where you can buy it. http://www.horizononline.com/MSDS_Sheets/844.txt Cheers Wendy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Enstar II is an insect growth refulator for control of foliar and ground mealy should be growth regulator So where do you get it from…..sounds fairly low toxicity as it recommended for indoor plantscapes (I think) and only 4 hour restricted entry. Howard

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toxicity

Howard, Thought I would add my $.02 to this discussion.  I would not be using Mavrik Aquaflow on plants inside the house even if they were in the basement.  I definitely wouldn’t use it if someone had respiratory problems and was around it.  It will send anyone who is not in protective gear around it into a coughing spell like you wouldn’t believe.  It may be low toxicity but I would stay away from it inside.  A greenhouse with protective gear is fine. My opinion but I have seen how it affects people, myself included. Regards, Stephen

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