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I am a newbie to this group and would like to follow your messages for a while, if I may, and perhaps post from time to time?  I live in Maryland (in Zone 7) and am interested in gardening even though I have a black thumb! Thank you. —

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Welcome! BTW, there’s no such thing as a black thumb. All of us have made mistakes and experienced frustrations. From this, we eventually achieve succes. I’m in zone 7ish too, in No.CA. What are you interested in growing? What’s your garden like? I look forward to hearing about your experiences. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a newbie to this group and would like to follow your messages for a while, if I may, and perhaps post from time to time?  I live in Maryland (in Zone 7) and am interested in gardening even though I have a black thumb!

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I am a newbie to this group and would like to follow your messages for a while, if I may, and perhaps post from time to time?  I live in Maryland (in Zone 7) and am interested in gardening even though I have a black thumb! Thank you. —

There’s one such thing as a Black Thumb you haven’t taken the wrappings off yet. mouser Lord help me be the person my dog thinks I am.

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Welcome to the group!  The more, the merrier! -Trillian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a newbie to this group and would like to follow your messages for a while, if I may, and perhaps post from time to time?  I live in Maryland (in Zone 7) and am interested in gardening even though I have a black thumb! Thank you. —

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Welcome to the group!  I replied to this yesterday, but either I hit the wrong doodad and emailed it or it disappeared into cyberspace.   Anyway- what I have to do with my indoor starts is to toughen them up outside gradually by carrying the pots out in the daytime and bringing them back in at night for a couple of weeks before I actually plant them outside.  Something similar might help with your situation.  Good luck!

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Welcome Karlman. —                    (o)_(o)                   /     ,,                           ,     /     Uhhhh,…ribbit. Please remove the "*" asterick at the beginning of my e-mail address to reply.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone, As you can guess, I am new to the group.  I just wanted to drop a quick note to introduce myself.  Anyway, I have been involved in gardening quite a while.  My dad used to have a nursery business in Texas and I learned quite a lot.  Now, the tables are turned.  My wife and I moved up in the mountains of northern New Mexico and the climate has me totally screwed up as far as gardening goes.  We are at approximately 8500ft elevation so it still gets cold at night.  According to my neighbors, the winter this year was pretty mild (only got down to -13F) so I am guessing we are probably somewhere around zone 2 or 3 in my immediate area. I am hoping that people in similar climates will be able to offer tips and advice on gardening in both cold climates and high altitudes.  Here’s a perfect example:  I started some of my vegatable plants inside and finally the weather warmed up enough to move them out to the garden.  Well, the day I planted them was the warmest day so far this year so I though I would be ok (this was 2 days ago).  Needless to say, the nighttime temperature dropped to around 29F and I lost almost all of my plants. Live and Learn I guess. Karl

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Hi Karl      welcome, the people in this group are the friendliest and most helpful . if they don’t know something , they will do all they can to find out. ther’s always someone here who can give great advice and suggestions. just ask anything.                     jacki z8 nw florida http://community.webtv.net/Bearz-Lady/BearzLady1LovesAll http://community.webtv.net/Bearz-Lady/Bearz_Ladyhomepage

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Thanks for the zone info.  Are these zones you reported from the newer USDA zone maps?  I am not sure but I had heard that the maps were being re-done. I’m not doubting you, of course, but I thought zone 4 was -20 to -10.

This is from the system that split the zones into A and B portions. That’s not especially new, as it took place quite some years ago. But all that really did is chop the zones into 5 degree intervals instead of 10. I haven’t heard of any newer USDA system, save a separate one for heat zones. And zone 5 is the -10 to -20 zone according to maps I’ve seen. Zone 4 goes -20 to -30. And that’s *Average* annual minimum. In an extreme winter, it can get considerably colder than that.  Maybe I mis-read something or I have an outdated map??

It could be possible that you mis-read the map. Or that it was incorrect. The basic USDA system has been copied by everyone, and there’s no assurance that it is always copied accurately.  I talked to a neighbor tonight that has lived in this area for 6 years.  He said the coldest it had gotten since he moved here was -30 but it was only for 3 or 4 nights.

Again, that could be an extreme temperature, but it certainly isn’t out of the running for something that could happen sometimes in zone 4B or 5A. Even in 5B, on very rare occasions. Regards, Bill — "Those who do not learn the lessons of science fiction are condemned to live them."  

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Thanks for the zone info.  Are these zones you reported from the newer USDA zone maps?  I am not sure but I had heard that the maps were being re-done. I’m not doubting you, of course, but I thought zone 4 was -20 to -10.  Maybe I mis-read something or I have an outdated map??  I talked to a neighbor tonight that has lived in this area for 6 years.  He said the coldest it had gotten since he moved here was -30 but it was only for 3 or 4 nights. Thanks, Karl Jemez Mountains, New Mexico 8500ft, Zone:  ??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone, As you can guess, I am new to the group.  I just wanted to drop a quick note to introduce myself.  Anyway, I have been involved in gardening quite a while.  My dad used to have a nursery business in Texas and I learned quite a lot.  Now, the tables are turned.  My wife and I moved up in the mountains of northern New Mexico and the climate has me totally screwed up as far as gardening goes.  We are at approximately 8500ft elevation so it still gets cold at night.  According to my neighbors, the winter this year was pretty mild (only got down to -13F) so I am guessing we are probably somewhere around zone 2 or 3 in my immediate area. I think 4B is as far as it goes in that area of NM. 5A and 5B are also in the area, and more extensive. It gets cold sometimes in all those zones. If the temperature you quoted is the average annual temp, you’d be in 5B, which has the -10 to -15 range. But as you said that was mild, you might be looking at 5A (-15 to -20) or 4B (-20 to -25). Oh, and your Sunset zone? That would most likely be (dare I say it?): Zone 1, the zone of half the West… Regards, Bill I am hoping that people in similar climates will be able to offer tips and advice on gardening in both cold climates and high altitudes.  Here’s a perfect example:  I started some of my vegatable plants inside and finally the weather warmed up enough to move them out to the garden.  Well, the day I planted them was the warmest day so far this year so I though I would be ok (this was 2 days ago).  Needless to say, the nighttime temperature dropped to around 29F and I lost almost all of my plants. Live and Learn I guess. Karl — "Those who do not learn the lessons of science fiction are condemned to live them."

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Hello Everyone, As you can guess, I am new to the group.  I just wanted to drop a quick note to introduce myself.  Anyway, I have been involved in gardening quite a while.  My dad used to have a nursery business in Texas and I learned quite a lot.  Now, the tables are turned.  My wife and I moved up in the mountains of northern New Mexico and the climate has me totally screwed up as far as gardening goes.  We are at approximately 8500ft elevation so it still gets cold at night.  According to my neighbors, the winter this year was pretty mild (only got down to -13F) so I am guessing we are probably somewhere around zone 2 or 3 in my immediate area.

I think 4B is as far as it goes in that area of NM. 5A and 5B are also in the area, and more extensive. It gets cold sometimes in all those zones. If the temperature you quoted is the average annual temp, you’d be in 5B, which has the -10 to -15 range. But as you said that was mild, you might be looking at 5A (-15 to -20) or 4B (-20 to -25). Oh, and your Sunset zone? That would most likely be (dare I say it?): Zone 1, the zone of half the West… Regards, Bill I am hoping that people in similar climates will be able to offer tips and advice on gardening in both cold climates and high altitudes.  Here’s a perfect example:  I started some of my vegatable plants inside and finally the weather warmed up enough to move them out to the garden.  Well, the day I planted them was the warmest day so far this year so I though I would be ok (this was 2 days ago).  Needless to say, the nighttime temperature dropped to around 29F and I lost almost all of my plants. Live and Learn I guess. Karl

– "Those who do not learn the lessons of science fiction are condemned to live them."  

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Hello Everyone, As you can guess, I am new to the group.  I just wanted to drop a quick note to introduce myself.  Anyway, I have been involved in gardening quite a while.  My dad used to have a nursery business in Texas and I learned quite a lot.  Now, the tables are turned.  My wife and I moved up in the mountains of northern New Mexico and the climate has me totally screwed up as far as gardening goes.  We are at approximately 8500ft elevation so it still gets cold at night.  According to my neighbors, the winter this year was pretty mild (only got down to -13F) so I am guessing we are probably somewhere around zone 2 or 3 in my immediate area. I am hoping that people in similar climates will be able to offer tips and advice on gardening in both cold climates and high altitudes.  Here’s a perfect example:  I started some of my vegatable plants inside and finally the weather warmed up enough to move them out to the garden.  Well, the day I planted them was the warmest day so far this year so I though I would be ok (this was 2 days ago).  Needless to say, the nighttime temperature dropped to around 29F and I lost almost all of my plants. Live and Learn I guess. Karl

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Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter?

Not really. We prefer to wrangle endlessly. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.gardens.html is as close as it gets. I’d sure like someone to take up the torch. Nominate: 1. Are these seeds too old to plant? 2. What is the best gardening book? 3. I want to start gardening. What do I do?

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Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? — William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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Where is this gardening group you found? The rest of us are curious where it is!!! Would be interested in seeing that faq or charter you speak of.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? — William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? Where is this gardening group you found?

Hi Cereoid+1+ , so you’re the clown in this group then ;o) The rest of us are curious where it is!!!

look around.  which ‘us’ exactly is that then? Would be interested in seeing that faq or charter you speak of.

I’ll take that as a ‘no’ then.  – William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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?? not sure but we have aphids, blister beetles, perennials by the ton, veggies, fruit, trees, grasses, cacti, orchids, roses and more cat and dog and crappy neighbors to keep you reading into the next springtime. Welcome William to "wreck.gardens" home of real people and the occasional flamer and troll (we try to ignore them)  madgardener one of the old folks around here

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? — William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? ?? not sure

just had a quick trawl round google – could have done that before I suppose, but it’s polite to ask ;o).  Couldn’t find a reference to faq or charter so I guess I’ll just have to muddle on thru. but we have aphids, blister beetles, perennials by the ton, veggies, fruit, trees, grasses, cacti, orchids, roses and more cat and dog and crappy neighbors to keep you reading into the next springtime.

sounds about right.  don’t forget vine weevils and slugs.  oops, you already mentioned the neighbours. Welcome William to "wreck.gardens" home of real people and the occasional flamer and troll (we try to ignore them)

lol – all groups have those and thank you

– William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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There are all Bozos on this bus. Do you want to be the first stand up comic in the group?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? Where is this gardening group you found? Hi Cereoid+1+ , so you’re the clown in this group then ;o) The rest of us are curious where it is!!! look around.  which ‘us’ exactly is that then? Would be interested in seeing that faq or charter you speak of. I’ll take that as a ‘no’ then.  – William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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There are all Bozos on this bus.

The quote is "WE’re all bozos on this bus" (squeeka-squeeka). It’s a good motto. And surely you also know that, "Everything you know is false." -paghat — "Flowers are commonly badly designed, inartistic in color, & ill-smelling." -Ambrose Bierce Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.angelfire.com/grrl/paghat/gardenhome.html#top

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That’s "WE’RE ALL BOZO’S ON THIS BUS" (Firesign Theater)  <GBSEG madgardener who has an almost complete collection on

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are all Bozos on this bus. Do you want to be the first stand up comic in the group? Hi Looking for a gardening group.  Looks like I found one ;o) Please tell me, does this group have a faq or charter? Where is this gardening group you found? Hi Cereoid+1+ , so you’re the clown in this group then ;o) The rest of us are curious where it is!!! look around.  which ‘us’ exactly is that then? Would be interested in seeing that faq or charter you speak of. I’ll take that as a ‘no’ then.  – William Tasso – http://www.tbdata.com/

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no, EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG.. (where it’s hotter than heater in Hellmouth) <GBSEG  madgardener

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are all Bozos on this bus. The quote is "WE’re all bozos on this bus" (squeeka-squeeka). It’s a good motto. And surely you also know that, "Everything you know is false." -paghat — "Flowers are commonly badly designed, inartistic in color, & ill-smelling." -Ambrose Bierce Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.angelfire.com/grrl/paghat/gardenhome.html#top

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